Charlie Kirk: Assassination

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Welcome to Why Is It So? Your last defence for common sense with your co-hosts

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Paul Zammett and Vince Locizzano.

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Welcome to Why Is It So? Today, Vince and I are going to have a look at who was Charlie Kirk.

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I must admit that before his assassination on the 10th of September,

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I had never heard of Charlie Kirk.

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Vince, on the other hand, has been following Charlie via podcast,

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public speaking tours, and his daily radio show for some time.

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Charlie Kirk was one of the highest profile conservative activists and media

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personalities in the US.

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Kirk was seen as both the future conservative activism as well as a highly polarised figure.

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The son of an architect who grew up in the well-to-do Chicago suburb of Prospect

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Heights, Kirk attended an Illinois community college before dropping out to

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devout himself to politic activism.

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He also applied unsuccessfully for West Point, the elite U.S.

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Military academy, and Turning Point, which he started at age 18,

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aimed to spread conservative ideals at liberal-leaning U.S.

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Colleges. Kirk also addressed the Oxford Union, a debating society at Oxford University.

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And in 2020, he wrote a bestseller, The Magna Doctrine, a reference to Trump's

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Make American Great Again campaign.

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His social media and his daily podcast often offered clips of him debating with

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students about issues like climate change, faith and family values.

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Kirk's comments on gender, race and politics often drew fierce liberal criticism.

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His opposition to gun control was among issues he discussed.

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The non-profit Kirk-founded Turning Point USA, a large part of his legacy,

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began after President Barack Obama was re-elected in 2012.

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Its mission, aimed at young people, is to organise students to promote the principles

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of fiscal responsibility, free markets and limited government.

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It now has more than 850 college chapters.

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So let's go across to Vince and let him tell us his side of the story.

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Good morning, Vince. How are you today?

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I guess I'm all right, Paul, but I've had a very somber week. Very somber week. Yes.

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Like so many decent human beings, I've been mourning the passing of someone

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I truly admired and was a fantastic spokesman for common sense and decency in the world.

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And I speak, of course, of Charlie Kirk, who got brutally assassinated last week.

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Yeah, it just makes you stop and think, what is the world coming to, doesn't it? It does.

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You're obviously speaking about Charlie Kirk. Yeah. Yeah, it was a...

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Very sudden. And I hadn't heard of him before, actually, or this.

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I've had a little bit of a read about him since.

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And he seemed to me like he was more a pacifist than he was a,

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you know. An antagonizer.

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An antagonizer, yeah. Well, you

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see, he was a very religious person who basically went around speaking,

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especially to young people at university camp and trying to spread the message

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that he felt young people need to at least hear and consider before they go

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down a path that he felt was the wrong way.

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And he spoke to them and he debated with them and he argued for what he felt

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was right and allowed them to have a platform to speak their mind and express

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their opinion. And you're talking about this?

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Yeah. When he went around to university campuses and spoke to people,

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See, this is the irony of it all, is that when he was assassinated last week,

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he was doing exactly that.

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He was at a university in Utah talking to young people and spreading God's message.

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And he was obviously a devout Christian.

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And he also was not afraid to express his political beliefs.

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And a lot of people on the left side of the spectrum, the political spectrum,

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didn't like a lot of his opinions and often twisted some of the things that

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he used to say to try and convert other people to hate him for some of his views.

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They often used to refer to him as a fascist and hate-filled.

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And some people even went on social media saying things like he advocated for

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the stoning of gay people, which is just blatantly lies.

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And all of these things were debunked. But yet what's happened is that it appears

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now with the information that we know so far that his assassin was a young man who was brought up.

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In a very decent middle-class working family.

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You know, I think his father's a local sheriff. They were Mormons,

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and he was brought up in that environment.

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And the only time he started to turn political and get very angry and nasty

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and start developing very strong views to the left was when he went to university.

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Do you think this was because he wanted to make friends, Because coming from

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a Mormon family, he probably wouldn't have seen and done a lot of things that young kids do.

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No, I think it just shows you that young people can be easily influenced by

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people who latch onto their vulnerabilities.

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It's now been disclosed that his alleged killer is in a, or was in a,

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or up until the point of the assassination,

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has been in a relationship, a romantic relationship with another young man who is, inverted commas,

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transitioning to be a woman.

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And he's taking steps to attempt to change his gender at the moment.

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Now, both of them started to, I think, to some extent, egg on each other about

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these views that they held, which are very pro-transgender views.

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And because Charlie Kirk used to express quite openly his opposition to people

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being in that sort of relationship and also changing their bodies,

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because he believed that once you're born male or female with male chromosomes

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or female chromosomes that's what you are and doesn't matter what you do or

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how you feel or what you want to become,

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That is what you are. Now, those sorts of views, based on truth,

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were views that a lot of these people in the trans community just don't like

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because they don't want to be confronted with the truth.

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They want to be told that what they feel and what they want to feel is justified.

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And when someone like Charlie Kirk comes along and tells them,

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no, this is what God intended, and there's only two genders and two sexes,

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that's male and female. And it doesn't matter what you do to pretend that you're

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the other one, doesn't make you that.

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And that used to rile up, and I think it still does rile up a lot of that cult.

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And that's what I refer to it as now.

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Because they have become a very violent cult within America especially,

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but all around the world.

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And there's a lot of shootings that have been caused by people in that community.

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How long has Charlie been around?

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As I say, I'd never heard of it. Okay. Now, where did he start?

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What ought to start is he never went to university. He basically has been doing

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what he's doing ever since he was about 18 years of age when he started Turning Point USA.

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And his very first rallies or whatever you want to call them,

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you know, gatherings of people at the start were very small,

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but they grew and grew and grew as people got to hear him speak and listen to his message.

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All of a sudden, more and more people came along and it's grown into a massive

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phenomenon now. And this assassination will only help Turning Point USA to grow

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into something he'd never seen before.

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Is that the name of the organization? That's his organization, Turning Point USA.

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And he turned that, he started that when he... About 12, 13 years ago,

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yeah. Yeah. And so he's gone all around America to...

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To preach, if you like, or to speak to.

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And where does his relationship, if you like, come up with Trump's? Okay.

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Well, of course, as we know, Trump made it clear in 2015 that he was considering running for president.

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And in 2016, of course, he put himself up with lots of others in the Republican

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Party to become the Republican nominee to be put up at the next election.

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And And of course, Trump argued for everything that he argued for,

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and Charlie Kirk resonated with that and was a massive supporter of Donald Trump

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in every election that he ran in.

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And he truly believed that Donald Trump was the one person that would be able

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to save America from going down a very, very dark black hole,

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which we saw in the four years that Joe Biden was the president,

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how America just absolutely collapsed under the weight of mass immigration.

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Illegal immigration, of course, going right through the northern and southern

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borders with millions of people crossing, including rapists and murderers and

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drug dealers and child traffickers and pedophiles and you name it.

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And it just got completely out of control.

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And also, of course, the economy was tanking under Biden.

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The debt was spiraling out of control. and Charlie

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Kirk was one of the main reasons why there

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was such a massive turnout of the

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youth vote in America at the last election in

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2024 when Donald Trump

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was re-elected for the second time and one of the reasons that he was able to

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get the youth vote out there to be so strong for Donald Trump was that he did

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these rallies and he did these talks at universities and college campuses and

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that sort of thing, and he basically spoke to people.

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In a very respectful way. He might have disagreed with their views and he may

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have espoused his own views, but he did it in a respectful fashion.

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And I just feel just so heartbroken, especially for his beautiful wife and these

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two little children who are three and one.

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They're never going to have anything other than videos to look back on once

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they're old enough to see who their father was and how much he loved them.

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And how old was Charlie? Charlie was 31.

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He was about a month off turning 32. He would become 32 in the middle of October. I think it's the 14th.

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So he was killed on the 10th of September, America at the time.

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And he traveled all around America? All around the place, yeah.

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But was it all in America or did he go?

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No, no, no, basically in America. He was someone who absolutely loved his country

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and he was extremely patriotic and wanted to see it, as Donald Trump does,

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see it return to becoming a great country again.

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That's the whole motto, make America great again.

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And you can't make America great again if your borders are leaking like a sieve,

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if your debt is spiraling out of control, if you are allowing people

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workplaces to become dictated to by these ridiculous DEI policies.

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DEI, of course, meaning diversity, equity, and inclusion, which basically is

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discrimination against white people. Hang on, we're not talking about the Victorian

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government either. No, no, no.

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Oh, don't worry. It's happening in Australia and in England and other Western

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countries as well. But in America, it's become out of control.

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And of course, as I said earlier, what we're identifying now is that it's the

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transgender cult that is now becoming a very dangerous.

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Hate-filled, evil, take matters into their own hands if they can't beat you

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in the way that Charlie Kirk said, come and prove me wrong.

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That was his motto at that very rally, come and prove me wrong,

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come and take a platform, have a microphone, discuss things with me,

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make your case, argue the point.

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That's what he encouraged people to do. And he used to say, the minute we stopped

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talking, that's when violence starts to happen. And look what happened.

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These people from the transgender cult, they didn't want to discuss things with him.

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They didn't want to debate with him. They knew that he had them all over with

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facts and figures. And yet, what did they do?

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They didn't want to accept that. They decided to take matters into their own

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hands in this case with these people.

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And by the way, it looks like there's other people who, you know,

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there's a good chance that they knew in advance what this young man was going

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to do because there's some messages on these social media sites that the police

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have uncovered and the FBI.

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But anyway, we'll know more in due course. But that's what they do.

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They resort to violence and they resort to killing people that they don't like.

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When he went from university to university.

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Did they invite him in, or did he approach them, or what was the situation there?

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What sort of is that held together?

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I'm not sure whether they approached him or he approached him.

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It really doesn't matter.

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If at the end of the day, both the university and Turning Point USA agreed for

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Charlie to go there and talk to people, well, then both parties must have been agreeable to it.

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He didn't actually form a political party, did he? No, no, no, no.

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He was purely a, you know. Just purely running his own show and trying to spread a message.

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It's just heartbreaking. I'm so disturbed by all this.

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And when I first heard the news, I'll be honest with you, I broke down.

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It really affected me, Paul, because I've actually been a follower of Charlie Kirk's for a long time.

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He used to have a daily podcast, The Charlie Kirk Show,

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and he was often special guest on various different programs and got invited

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to different other shows, especially on YouTube and where real people talk about real things.

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Because let's face it, the so-called

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mainstream media in the USA with news stations such as CNN, MSNBC, NBC,

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CBS, ABC, these types, they're no longer regarded as mainstream media by the

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real people, by the population out there.

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Their ratings have been tanking for years because people have refused to listen to them anymore.

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They know that it's just left-wing propaganda machines. That's all they are,

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these so-called news outlets.

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They're not news. These people aren't journalists. They are activists.

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They are left-wing activists for the Democratic Party. It

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was as obvious as the nose on your face when you

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watched the last election coverage that these people were

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just pushing for Kamala Harris the whole time and nothing that Donald Trump

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did or stood for or advocated was ever praised and anything he's ever achieved

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since has never been praised so these news outlets have lost all credibility.

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Look, at the end of the day, Charlie Kirk just spread a message of love and peace.

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He was a very religious person who preached the Bible and the teachings of the Bible.

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And he was actually asked the question, you know, if you were to die,

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what would you want to be remembered for?

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And he said, I would want to be remembered for my courage and for my faith.

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And that's two things he can definitely be proud of.

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He was very courageous going into what a lot of people would call enemy territory

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or at least hostile territory in some of these university campuses and risked

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his life, really, as we've seen.

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In the end, that risk was something that ended up happening.

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It was interesting, too, that the father recognised his son and he confronted him.

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You mean the suspect? The suspect, sorry. Yeah, the suspect was actually filmed

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and he picked it up and he said, that's my son.

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The FBI put out some images and he straightaway recognized that that was his son.

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And he actually approached his son and told him they knew and everything else and the son agreed.

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Yes, he did it. Well, what he ended up doing apparently was contacting a family

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member who was, I think, a pastor or something like that.

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I can't remember exactly. Was that the father? Yeah, no, the father and the

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family just contacted another family member to come and talk to him in order

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to convince him to hand himself in.

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Allegedly, he basically said something like, I'd rather kill myself than hand myself in.

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But they talked him out of that and convinced him to hand himself in.

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But interestingly, he has not been cooperating with the authorities ever since.

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His partner, a male called Lance Twig, I think was his name,

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who is pretending or transitioning, doing things to himself to try and convince

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himself that he's all of a sudden a woman.

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This is the one he's had a relationship with. And that's where I think a lot

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of this has been festering.

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It's the ideologies that this young assassin has learned and picked up from

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other people and other sources who've probably fed him with hate or filled him

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with hate for anyone who doesn't espouse the transgender ideology.

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And he became very political, according to his family, in recent years and very

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hate-filled towards anyone that wasn't extreme left.

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He's only 23 years old. 22. 22 years old.

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But that's what happened between when he left school and now.

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The only thing that's influenced him is by being at university.

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He went at university, he would have been 18.

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18 and 19? So you're talking within three years. Yeah. He's gone from way,

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way, way to the right with the...

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Well, I don't know that he ever necessarily was way to the right.

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His family. Well, his family. Were not way to the right.

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They were just simply registered as Republican voters.

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They were Mormons. They were a normal, peaceful, hardworking, taxpaying,

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middle-income family who had a son that went off, met some people that were

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a bad influence over him, and this is what looks like being the case.

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There must have been something wrong with him, though.

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You can't tell me in three years this guy has been... Paul, do you know how

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many thousands and tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands and,

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in fact, millions of Americans are exactly like him?

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Unbelievable. Do you know how you know that? Have a look at how almost half

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of America has celebrated Charlie Kirk's assassination.

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Can you believe that people would

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be so hate-filled and

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so lacking in humanity or lost all sense of humanity that they would celebrate

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the cold-blooded killing of a young man who has a wife and two little children

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and celebrate it and justify it and somehow come up with all of these things?

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Justifications for why his killing is something that he deserved.

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You can see it all over social media. Some of these people have been reported

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to their employers and the employers have been made aware, is this the sort

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of person you want to have in your organization?

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And they've been, a lot of these people have lost their jobs over it,

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but they don't apologize for their views.

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Do you know what's ironic with some of these people? They then get on social

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media after they'd been sacked.

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And you know what they say? Listen to the hypocrisy of this.

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How dare you report me to my employer? How dare you cost me my job? That's my livelihood.

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How am I going to pay my rent? How am I going to pay my bills?

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And they say things like, all I was doing was expressing my opinion.

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We should have freedom of speech. Oh, really?

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Well, what do you think Charlie Kirk was doing. He was expressing his right

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to freedom of speech, but did he deserve a bullet in the neck for it?

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You've lost your job over it. He lost his life over it. So in my opinion, these people are sick.

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They are actually filled with hate, evil.

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Some of them are so far gone. I don't think these people can be saved, some of them.

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Some of them are just way beyond saving.

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So Charlie Kirk defended that right, okay?

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Just like he defended the First Amendment, which is the right to free speech.

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And that's all he ever did. He never threatened anybody.

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He never said a hateful word towards anybody.

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He encouraged people that disagreed with him to come and talk to him,

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debate him, put forward your argument.

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And yet, because of that, and because some people couldn't handle that,

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that he was so brilliant,

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so incredibly intelligent and so skilled at debating that they couldn't handle

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not being able to disprove him.

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So the only way that they could win, so to speak, is to silence him by shooting him.

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Well, Vince, as I mentioned earlier, I had never heard of Charlie Kirk before

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he shot on the 10th of September this year at the age of 31.

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So I have to be guided by the limited amount of research I have read and what

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you have to tell us about him as you've been following him and the events and podcasts for some time.

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So some of that I agree with, some I don't agree with, but it was interesting.

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And thank you very much for making us aware. I honestly had not heard of Charlie Kirk.

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He was a great man. And you know what? This assassination may have taken his

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life, but his voice and his message will be amplified greater than ever before.

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And his widow courageously got up and spoke a couple of days after he was assassinated

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and basically said to the evildoers, you have no idea what you have unleashed.

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And I'm telling you that there's going to be dozens, hundreds of people,

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thousands of people right across the US and the world that will now say enough is enough.

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We're not going to bow down to your left wing sick ideologies and we are not

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going to accept your violent behavior anymore.

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And we are going to start turning this world around because it is literally

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at a turning point, which was ironically the name of Charlie's organization.

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So I just hope for the sake of the world that this is a turning point where

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good will now start to win over evil.

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Because if the work of the devil is going to take away the life of...

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Of a brilliant young man like charlie kirk if we

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don't do something about it if we don't fight back

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and make sure that this world is

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turned upside down and we take back control

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of our countries again from these tyrannical selfish crazy socialist communist

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governments well then we're doomed so the time is now to join your local church

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if you haven't already done so to join turning point.

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In Australia, if you're listening to us in Australia, or Turning Point in the

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USA, if you're listening to us in the USA, or wherever else the organisation

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is, and help spread the right message.

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And don't let evil defeat good. We must have good defeat evil.

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Thank you for being with us and giving us that information, which I think is

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very interesting. So thank you very much.

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It's been good to talk to you. Always a pleasure. And, yeah,

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I'll have a listen to this podcast.

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Well, I would also encourage anyone else who, like you, may not have been totally

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informed or educated or even aware of Charlie Kirk to do your homework. Look up his videos.

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Look up, you know, examples on YouTube of how he used to debate people.

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And you'll see that he was always, apart from being a brilliant debater,

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He was always respectful and allowed people to speak.

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Terrific. Thanks again. All right, Paul. And hopefully we'll have you back shortly.

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Well, unless someone assassinates me in the meantime. Well, I don't know about

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that, but it's not... I don't think we're going against this.

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Don't put it past the evil. We're not exactly Charlie Kirk.

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Don't put it past the evil left-wing cults out there to do something like that.

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Anyway, thank you again. and I'm sure we'll talk again in the not-so-distant future.

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